Episode 323: Be Your Own Health Expert & the Body-Belief Connection | Balanced Bites Podcast Interview
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This episode is unlike any other we’ve ever released. Rather than Erin interviewing a guest… SHE is the one being interviewed! This interview on Liz Wolfe’s Balanced Bites Podcast was such a banger, we couldn’t resist sharing it with our audience.
Hear Erin talk about her experience with a serious autoimmune disease diagnosis (and remission), where functional medicine can miss the mark, how to self-source your healing, and how your body is always trying to keep you safe - even when things may seem to be going “wrong”.
In this episode:
How Intuitive Functional Medicine™ blends the science with the sacred [10:42]
How continuously looking for the “root cause” can be the crux of the problem [17:24]
How our mindset and our thoughts can influence our biology [23:14]
When reaching the “I am done feeling this way” moment can bring you to a deeper level of healing [28:08]
How your body uses symptoms to communicate with you [36:42]
What it means to self-source more of our answers than outsource [53:21]
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Funk’tional Nutrition Academy™
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Erin Holt [00:00:02]:
I'm Erin Holt, and this is the Funk'tional Nutrition Podcast, where we lean into intuitive functional medicine. We look at how diet, our environment, our emotions, and our beliefs all affect our physical health. This podcast is your full bodied, well rounded resource. I've got over a decade of clinical experience, and because of that, I've got a major bone to pick with diet culture and the conventional healthcare model. They're both failing so many of us. But functional medicine isn't the panacea that it's made out to be, either. We've got some work to do, and that's why creating a new model is my life's work. I believe in the ripple effect.
Erin Holt [00:00:39]:
So I founded the Funk'tional Nutrition Academy, a school and mentorship for practitioners who want to do the same. This show is for you if you're looking for new ways of thinking about your health and you're ready to be an active participant in your own healing. Please keep in mind this podcast is created for educational purposes only and should never be used as a replacement for medical diagnosis or treatment. I would love for you to follow the show, rate, review, and share because you never know whose life you might change. And, of course, keep coming back for more. Hello, my friends. Today I'm pulling a move that I don't think I've ever pulled before, and I am releasing an interview that I did on my friend Liz Wolfe's podcast, the Balance Bites Podcast. It was just published a couple weeks ago, last week, maybe, and I am releasing it here.
Erin Holt [00:01:30]:
And she's pulling the same move, and she's going to release an interview that she did on this podcast over on her podcast. Why? I'd love to tell you it's because we're both working moms running our businesses in the summertime, and we've decided to work smarter, not harder. But in reality, that's not why. It's just that the podcast was so good. I want you guys to hear it. Her questions. I love, love, love, love talking to Liz. Number one, she's hilarious.
Erin Holt [00:01:57]:
And number two, she just asked me the best question. So she elicits things out of me that I wouldn't be able to self elicit when it's just me here talking into a mic by my onesies. So I actually just listened to this episode today at the time of recording and immediately reached out to her to be like, can I publish that on mine? She said at the start of the show. She said it was one of her top three episodes, and she has, like, almost 500 episodes racked up. So I am beyond flattered. And I'm going to tell you a quick story about how this is such a flabbergastingly full circle moment. Ten years ago. I know it was ten years ago, because Hattie was just born.
Erin Holt [00:02:40]:
I wasn't feeling my personal best. You all know the story. And I had been a vegetarian at that point. 20 years. I was a vegetarian all through my pregnancy. I didn't eat any meat and got this intuitive sense, okay, it's time to start eating meat. But I hadn't eaten any animal products in 20 years. I didn't know where to start.
Erin Holt [00:02:57]:
So my college friends, my northeastern friends, came to visit me to see the new baby. Shout out to Danielle and Stephanie. And Danielle Koenig was like, you know what you should do? You should listen to the Balanced Bites podcast. And I was like, what's a podcast? So the Balance Bites podcast, Liz Wolfe's podcast was literally the first podcast I had ever listened to. She was like a bona fide celebrity in my eyes. And now we're on each other's podcasts, and we're friends. It kind of one of those things that makes me be like, like, what is life? What is life? Anyway, in case you weren't familiar with that story, I did want to share it with you. And because I love Liz and I love everything that she's doing, I want to share her new brain child with you, which is her Ideal Age.
Erin Holt [00:03:42]:
Daily aminos. These are amino acid supplements. They're a powder. You just mix them into water. They taste pretty great. They've got Taurine, which, as an aside, is something that I don't think any other amino acid supplement has on the market. And I just love them, and I love her. So be sure to check them out.
Erin Holt [00:04:00]:
We will make sure to link them up in the show notes. Now, I am choosing to work smarter, not harder. So we're not going to do too much in the way of editing here. So you'll hear her introduce me. It was very funny because she's a very funny person, and it was also very kind. So I listened to it, like, three different times. Cause don't we all just need a little pep talk every now and again? She does mention some goosebump moments in her intro. So I would suggest staying through all the way to the end for this one.
Erin Holt [00:04:30]:
I definitely dropped the hammer at the end, and, like, even I was. Even I was getting goosebumps listening to myself on this podcast. So this is one that you're going to want to stay all the way through to the end. She does ask about Manifest Your Health. So I want to remind everybody that Manifest Your Health is open for enrollment. It is the last week to sign up. This program is going to change things for you. It's going to shake things up in a good way.
Erin Holt [00:04:55]:
You're going to learn how to use your own biology to heal so that you can spend less time googling your symptoms and more time actually living your life. We're going to get you out of that health hyper vigilance, that fixation on finding the root cause, and we're going to help you break the code of your symptoms so you'll actually understand what your body is communicating to you and why and how to heed the messages coming from inside the body, and we will activate your true healing potential. We did a little pre sale, and so before we even officially opened the cart, we had 40 people enrolled. So it's shaping up to be an amazing group. We have a lot of people coming back from last year to receive even more medicine, and I'm just so, so excited to be able to honor this and get your booty in the door because it is the last week to enroll. All right, here we go. My convo with Liz.
Liz Wolfe [00:05:47]:
My guest today is Erin Holt, the Funk'tional Nutritionist. Funk like, funky. And I've had her on before. I am just so dazzled by this person and I am so glad to have her in my life and to have her voxer handle so I can message her anytime I want on multiple different platforms. Lucky her. So, Erin, as a human being, is just bold, confident, self actualized, and hilarious. And as a professional, she's an integrative and functional nutritionist. She has over a decade of clinical experience as well as a personal history that really informs her work and I imagine probably makes her clinical practice that much more powerful and transformational.
Liz Wolfe [00:06:25]:
I know the kind of work she's doing, and really, those are the words I would use to characterize it and then some. And she's not just working with individuals, by the way. She also works with practitioners to level up their practices. And I have also heard amazing things about her Funk'tional Nutrition Academy. And she's also got her Manifest Your Health course, which opens up for early bird pricing, I think as early as today. So keep that in mind as you listen to this episode, and you'll want to go to the show notes for more on that. And here's just one of the other reasons why I like Erin so much. She blends evidence based practices and functional lab testing with energy medicine.
Liz Wolfe [00:07:07]:
She's got this boundary setting, humor thing going on. And this all works together for what becomes, like, an individualized approach to health. And that, to me, is not just incredibly badass, but also incredibly bold with the very divisive conversation around melding those. I guess they seem like different things, but I think they're actually incredibly interrelated disciplines, the energy medicine, and the functional approach to overall health. Today in this interview, we have so many little gems. We talk about health hypervigilance, her autoimmune disease. We talk about how her illness gave her a voice in a moment. It just totally gave me chills.
Liz Wolfe [00:07:47]:
So we talked about that. We talked about some of the stuff in my past, in my history with religion and whatnot, which may or may not be interesting to you. If it's not just, you know, tap that 15 minutes, 15 second button and jump forward. We didn't talk about it for too long, but you know me, I can't resist talking about myself. We talk about her illness a little bit more. We talked about the failures of functional medicine, and we talked about the I am done moment. Have you had one of those? Either way, you will love this chat. And if you want to work with Erin in her Manifest Your Health program, which, again, is opening up mid August 2024, but which I believe the cart opens today, August 5.
Liz Wolfe [00:08:25]:
Go to the show notes, and you'll be able to navigate from there. I hope you all enjoy this interview with Erin Holt, the Funk'tional Nutritionist. Erin Holt, my friend, thank you for coming on my podcast.
Erin Holt [00:08:38]:
Hello, old friend. I guess you're a new friend.
Liz Wolfe [00:08:41]:
Hello, you semi new, semi new friend. I still remember our first conversation via Instagram. I was walking around Whole Foods, just having a leisurely stroll around the sourdough section, and we were making really inappropriate jokes in the first maybe hour, probably less than that, of meeting each other. And now you're a regular on my podcast.
Erin Holt [00:08:59]:
Yes, I am. I'm a regular. And I'm also a regular in your Voxer and in your DM's and in your text, too. So that's how you know I'm omnipresent. That's my goal.
Liz Wolfe [00:09:09]:
Omniscient. Omnipresent. All of the things. Okay. I want to talk to you about something really important, actually, I want you to talk to me about what you're really into right now. I want you to set the stage for us.
Erin Holt [00:09:20]:
Wine? Is that.
Liz Wolfe [00:09:22]:
Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one, too. Oh, did you get the pre drinking supplement that I sent over to you?
Erin Holt [00:09:29]:
I didn't get that yet. So I mean, I say that and it's like, ingest a little bit, but I will set the stage because I struggled with, like, really significant health issues for a very, very, very long time. And so I kind of think to myself, I, like, witness myself living my life right now, just like, doing normal things, like having a glass of wine without mentally spiraling about what it's going to do to my physiology. My whole family is coming to my lake house next week for vacation, and I'm not spiraling about, will I get sick? How will I feel? What will I do if I don't feel good? How do I communicate this? There's just such a level, lower level of anxiety in my overall life because I'm not carrying around this health hyper vigilance anymore. And I just sometimes have to, like, sit back and observe what I've created for myself, which is like a really big, wonderful, bold, powerful life that I absolutely love. Juice dripping down my chin type of like eating the peach vibe. So that's kind of what's top of mind right now is my life had gotten very small, and now I'm living this life that I envisioned for myself years ago when I didn't feel so great, and now I feel good. So that's what I'm into these days.
Liz Wolfe [00:10:42]:
I love that. Well, so that obviously is not, that is not just a physical transformation. That is a mental transformation as well. And what I like about what you do is that you're about both of those things. Obviously, you're about the physical, you're about the mental, but you kind of tie them together in a different way than the way I see other people talking about them. So can you talk to me a little bit about that?
Erin Holt [00:11:04]:
Sure. So I've given it a title because, you know, we love to categorize and label things. And so a little backstory. I've been practicing nutrition for about 15 years. I had my own health challenges, as per mentioned, and needed to discover functional medicine because conventional medicine wasn't getting me where I needed to go. Conventional medicine, as we know, is amazing for acute and emergency things, but when we try to map over that approach to really complex chronic conditions, it usually fails, which is why we have such a disease endemic. And so I found functional medicine, and I was like, oh, my gosh, it's like the panacea that I've been waiting for. I love the systems biology approach.
Erin Holt [00:11:44]:
I love looking at how different parts of the body interface with each other. I loved understanding the root cause drivers. Conventional medicine is really good about labeling things. You have this, but doesn't really go far enough to ask the question, but why? And I loved that functional medicine. Ask the but why. And so I started applying these principles to my own body, to my clients. I built a practice. I started training other clinicians in this methodology.
Erin Holt [00:12:08]:
And the more immersed I became in the functional medicine world, the more I'm like, I just felt that the core roots, values, tenants of functional medicine were kind of slip sliding away. And what was happening is that we were replacing conventional medicine's model of a pill for every ill with a supplement for every imbalanced lab marker, and that isn't getting people better. And so we're running into some of the same challenges in functional medicine that we were running into in conventional medicine. And when I was in dietetic school all those years ago, I was also simultaneously studying energy medicine. I was working under a mentor. I was really understanding meditation and the energy bodies, the subtle energy bodies, and applying that into my own life. And so. So I've always kind of, like, blended these two things, like the seen with the unseen, the quantifiable with the unquantifiable, the science with the sacred and spiritual.
Erin Holt [00:13:13]:
It's just how I look at the world. It's how I think about things. And so I started to really pull that more into the forefront of what I was doing. And it doesn't mean that I'm throwing out one in order to embrace the other. I think we can and we must blend both. And so when I think about the way I practice with this intuitive functional medicine approach, what I'm trying to do is bring people back to themselves is to teach them, hey, you have this inner healer inside of you that actually exists. It's innate to all of us. It's like our wolverine, super healing power.
Erin Holt [00:13:45]:
We can heal ourselves. Your body knows how to do it. Your subconscious has the blueprint for it. It's innately baked in. So, a, we have to teach people that, and b, we have to teach people how to access that. And I just do not see that happening with functional medicine. As much as I love it, it's just not happening. Throwing a bunch of lab tests at somebody and throwing a bunch of supplements at somebody is not the same thing as really addressing their deep root causes.
Liz Wolfe [00:14:13]:
All right, I want to talk about that a little bit more, because what you're suggesting to me, and maybe you even use this word, but there's, like, this dependence. Like, there's still this dependency on something outside of you. Like, you have to go to somebody, whether it's a doctor or a functional medicine practitioner. And like, what do you say I should do? What's the protocol? What's the process? What are the supplements I need to take? What are the tests that I need to do? You're just not accessing anything within yourself with that. I don't know. That way of practicing. Would you agree with that?
Erin Holt [00:14:43]:
I think it can be an entry point because many of us since day one have been taught to essentially divorce ourselves from our bodies and go out of touch with our bodies. We're taught, especially women, that our bodies are not anything to be trusted. And so this gets baked into us. And so if you're feeling that way, I don't want to invoke shame by saying you shouldn't be feeling that way. But I would agree that just constantly, perpetually relying on external authority figures and external data points for your health and what to do with your body is not a really good long term strategy. Ultimately, I believe the goal should be that we start to self source more of our answers than outsource. I think that we need to learn to trust ourselves. It's going to take some time for some of us to like, build that machinery out within us.
Erin Holt [00:15:42]:
And ultimately, if you are working with a healthcare provider or practitioner, they should be a co pilot in this journey for you. And so I think the best practitioners are helping you do that. And we can use external data points to do this. We can use lab testing. We still leverage functional lab testing in our practice. That objective data can be so helpful for people to really drive behavior change. But the goal isn't to just use the data. Be like, this is what's wrong with you, and I hold the keys to the kingdom, and I'm going to tell you what's wrong with you and what to do about it, but more so to help guide people back to themselves.
Erin Holt [00:16:20]:
Here's an example that I'm just thinking up of the top of my head. I had a client. She was deep in Instagram and deep in all the podcasts. And so one thing that functional medicine can be really good at is creating problems where there's not actually problems. And so she came to me with a laundry list of things that she thought was broken, wrong, bad with her. And one of the things she's like, I really think that I have food sensitivities. I'm like, okay, sure, that makes sense. Given everything you're telling me.
Erin Holt [00:16:44]:
What do you think that you're reacting to? And she said, eggs, dairy and gluten and I'm like, okay, why don't we remove eggs, dairy, and gluten? She's like, I really want the test. We ran the test, and you know what? She was sensitive to eggs, dairy, and gluten, so she knew her body, knew her body was sending all the appropriate messages. She needed that external data to learn to trust herself. So that's where I do think that lab testing can be such a beautiful and useful tool to guide us back to ourselves. But the end result, or the end goal should be to guide ourselves back to ourselves. It's not to be perpetually reliant upon lab testing forever and ever and ever.
Liz Wolfe [00:17:24]:
Yeah. Yeah. So you and I have talked about this, like, offline, but I have a friend who has spent close to, if not more than, like, $100,000 on functional practitioners trying to figure out what is wrong. And I understand conventional medicine had no answers for her, and she still struggled for years and years and years, but she also has thrown more money at the functional practitioners, the functional testing, and it has yielded nothing. So I'm just curious how you clearly do something different in your practice and you conceptualize this in a different way, but how do, like, how do people get to that point where how many tests can we run, how many supplements can we throw at people? How does it end up costing $100,000 to get no answers? How does that happen?
Erin Holt [00:18:14]:
I have no idea. And this makes me irate, quite frankly, because I think it's criminal. And I think at a certain point, we need to, as a body, as an industry call BS on this. And I do often. And then there's some people who are like, oh, you're not a woman supporting a woman. You're not a practitioner supporting a practitioner. I'm like, okay, that's not my role. That's not my ministry.
Erin Holt [00:18:38]:
That's not why I'm here. If you're doing some sketchy stuff, I'm going to call you out on that sketchy stuff. But I feel like that's what we should be doing. If we are taking on the responsibility of working with people's health, especially people with these chronic mystery health syndromes, we should always want to be doing better. We should always be willing to stretch and expand our belief systems and just be constantly learning or wanting to learn, grow and evolve. We can talk about that at a later time. But that is really, really important. That is my belief.
Erin Holt [00:19:15]:
But let me, like, reverse engineer this, because sometimes it's not just the practitioner, right? We are in these relationships with clients. And sometimes we as the client have colluded in this because if we have a deep seated belief that there is something wrong with me, we will leave no stone unturned to find that wrong thing.
Liz Wolfe [00:19:39]:
Yeah.
Erin Holt [00:19:39]:
And that might actually be at the crux of the issue, is that belief behind everything, because I've certainly worked with a lot of people where I'm like, lab tests look really good. I think we need to maybe turn our focus to something else. And that doesn't jive with what they're looking for. They want to find the one true, wrong, broken thing. What is the one root cause? What is the one thread that I can pull to make this whole cluster of thing go away? And it's a really painful place to be. I've been there myself, and so I have so much compassion and understanding for that. And I think that it might be some of that belief that is driving the behavior of, like, I just have to keep searching, and I will keep working my way through practitioners and through lab testing and spending all the money until I get fixed.
Liz Wolfe [00:22:40]:
Okay. Belief. You said the word belief, and this is, this is a big one for me right now, and it's something that I've been contemplating a lot and grappling with a lot lately, is how. How a lot of things do come down to our belief systems. Like, I think we, and I'm kind of in a different. There's the Venn diagram. There's some overlap there. But in the metabolism stuff that I do, talking to people who have tried to change things, just very basic things, basic diet and lifestyle things, for years and years and years and years and years, and they really think it all hinges on behavior, whereas I feel like I'm coming to realize that it hinges much more on beliefs.
Liz Wolfe [00:23:14]:
So I've been kind of delving into the type of mindset work and brain rewiring. Haven't dived into this subconscious stuff, but I want to talk to you more about this. Like, the brain rewiring, the mindset, the belief work, all of that stuff, and how it intertwines with the physical body. Because this is another thing that you're maybe not reverse engineering, but I think we've all gotten on this continuum of, like, we have to deal with our mind and our stress and our mindset, and that will alleviate some of the physical stress that's causing bodily dysfunction. But you talk about this like, we work on these things together at the same time, and there are things that have to happen in the body before they can happen in the mind. So talk to me about that.
Erin Holt [00:23:59]:
Yeah, I think it all has to come online together. I don't think it's one or the other. I think it's an and both. Anything in your health, in healing is an and both situation. And if somebody's telling you otherwise, like, run in the other direction, that's a red flag. It's a lot easier to market, though. It's a lot easier to market that.
Liz Wolfe [00:24:14]:
Indeed.
Erin Holt [00:24:15]:
Either or so mindset is super important. I mean, we've been talking a lot about over the past few years about stress and how stress impacts our physiology and PNI super system. Like, a lot of people are well versed in psychoneuroimmunology, and that's a beautiful thing. That didn't even exist 40 years ago. So our understanding of how our mindset and our thoughts can influence our biology, it's really coming online and it's more well understood. Bless up for that, right. But mindset, I think, is just a byproduct of belief. I think behavior, another thing, we know that behavior action crystallizes change.
Erin Holt [00:24:50]:
We have to do the behaviors, but what drives the behaviors? It's the beliefs. And a lot of these beliefs are not even beliefs that we're walking around that we're aware of. We just are carrying them around. Many of them get programmed in a very, very young age. We don't have a lot of discernment before the age of like, seven ish. We don't really have, it's called the critical faculty. It doesn't really come online until the age of seven to twelve. And so that means that whatever is coming in, just experiencing it as absolute truth.
Erin Holt [00:25:25]:
So whatever you experience between the ages of zero and seven, whatever you are told by your caretakers, your parents, your peers, anybody in any type of authority figure, media, any messages that are coming in before the age of seven, you're just baking it into your brain and your biology as absolute truth. Your operating system, your entire operating system. And some programs are really great, like tying your shoe. You don't have to relearn that every single time. Driving a car, how inefficient would it be if you had to relearn to drive a car every single time you sat down? So some of these programs are great, but they're not really great if you're trying to change things. And like I said, they're not in our conscious awareness for the most part. So we're not even aware that we're carrying these beliefs around. It's not something that we actively think about.
Erin Holt [00:26:12]:
It's just a way of life. It's just the way things are. It's predictable. The field of predictability versus the field of possibility. This is the way things have been. This is the way things will be. Not much change happens from that place. The other thing that's, I think, super important to understand is that your brain, your mind, is kind of designed to reflect back to you your own beliefs.
Erin Holt [00:26:38]:
This is why so many people, so many of us, really defend our position. We dig our heels in and we defend our belief versus trying to dismantle them, because we're seeing evidence that our belief is true. Literally all day long. All day long. And so we can defend it till the death. But what we need to do if we want to change is be willing to shift our perspective just a little bit or even be willing to open, open ourselves up to say, I'm willing to see this differently, something as, like, basic as that, so that we are not priming our minds to always scan for evidence of our beliefs. If we want to see different things in our reality, and I'm talking also about our physical health, like the reality that is our physical health, we have to actively look for evidence that what we want to create is possible.
Erin Holt [00:27:37]:
And this is one of my favorite terms, is self directed neuroplasticity. I'm sure by now all of your listeners are familiar with the term neuroplasticity. But in order to really leverage that superpower, that is our brain's ability to change and to rewire, we have to direct it. We are the self in that equation, the self directed neuroplasticity. So we have to put in effort in order to do that.
Liz Wolfe [00:28:05]:
Okay. Okay.
Erin Holt [00:28:07]:
So much.
Liz Wolfe [00:28:08]:
It says so much. But it's good, though. Self directed neuroplasticity. When you said that, my mind immediately went to a couple years ago when I was trying to fix my kid for whatever thing about her that didn't need to be fixed. I was, you know, agonizing over something I do that I like to. I realized this the other day. I like to spend money, and when I'm spending money on fixes, I feel like I'm being productive. And that's a whole thing that I'm working on.
Erin Holt [00:28:34]:
Right.
Liz Wolfe [00:28:34]:
It's ordering supplements off Amazon. It's making sure I'm fully prepared for things. And it is. Wow, she's having a tough couple of weeks. So I need to call the neurofeedback person and the blah, blah, blah, and I need to do all the things and the tongue tie person and the whatever, the mouth, the airway, all of the things. But thinking about how I like to go places to get fixed. So whether that's chiropractor, acupuncturist, neuroplasticityist. But is this self directed neuroplasticity? Is this just agency? Is it just a matter of agency? And you can bring that to the experience whether you're off with electrodes on your head trying to get something figured out, or do you have to do this with your own tools at home without somebody else plugged into your dome.
Erin Holt [00:29:21]:
Sadly, it's b. So this what I do in my work requires people to be fully participating in their own healing, which is a big ask, and not everybody is ready to do that, and that's okay. But this work is big. This is the big stuff. This is the deep stuff. It is work, and it's going to require a lot out of you. And so I find that the people that are really good for this work are the people who have reached the I am done moment. I cannot live like this anymore.
Erin Holt [00:29:59]:
I need to do something else. I find that that's where this stuff really has, like, a strong foothold. And I've been there. And so I'm speaking from experience. I've had the I'm done moment. I'm like, what I am doing is not getting me where I need to go. I recognize that.
Erin Holt [00:30:16]:
I see that. So I have to do it a different way. I have to look at this differently, and I am willing to change, and I'm willing to put in the work to change, which is, like, a pretty specific place for people to be in their, you know, healing journey.
Liz Wolfe [00:30:31]:
Okay, just to reiterate, we are talking about people that are done who are experiencing physical, physical issues, not just mental challenges, but actual, like, they need physical healing. They're looking for physical healing, and they are dunsky. They're over it. And then you're like, okay, let's go in here and let them, pointing to my forehead, which is where my brain is supposed to be as well, you know, gut brain, wherever. Like, the healing is not just where you're experiencing the pain.
Erin Holt [00:31:00]:
Yes. And so this conversation, this bigger conversation that we're having can be applied to anything, any type of change you want to make in your life. For today's discussion, we'll keep it to physical health.
Liz Wolfe [00:31:11]:
Okay? Okay.
Erin Holt [00:31:12]:
And, yes, it applies to that, too.
Liz Wolfe [00:31:14]:
Okay. And then. So then what are we doing? What are we doing? Fix everybody right now.
Erin Holt [00:31:20]:
So I'll give you an example of an I'm done moment. So I was diagnosed nine years ago with systemic sclerosis, or scleroderma. It's an autoimmune disease. Like, not a great one. You know.
Liz Wolfe [00:31:31]:
You didn't get one of the good ones.
Erin Holt [00:31:33]:
Don't google it. It's bad out there. And so I had. I was working with a rheumatologist. I had pretty much done everything that conventional healthcare had to offer. I had taken prescription meds. I had a one year old at the time. I was scared.
Erin Holt [00:31:44]:
I'm like, I'll do anything. Right. I've also had done, at this point, everything that functional medicine had to offer. I mean, I was a really good practitioner. I knew what to do, and I'm like, I'm doing everything, and I just. I healed my physical body pretty well. Like, 80%. Okay, let's say there was still that 20% that kept me on my toes, that I was like, I feel good, but what if I don't always feel good? I feel good, but I was waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Erin Holt [00:32:15]:
I feel good, but I still am carrying around so much anxiety and fear about my health and about getting sick, and I just decided, I can't. I can't live like this anymore. This is not a life. You know, I wouldn't schedule travel because I was afraid of, like, well, what if I get sick? I just had so much anxiety in me about. Or I call it healthxiety. It's just this hyper vigilance, always waiting for the bad thing to happen. So I think if you're there, if the diagnosis, perhaps, that you received stops feeling like a warm, fuzzy blanket and it starts to feel like fat guy in a little coat, like, shoot tight, too restrictive, can't get out of here. Like, I'm trapped.
Erin Holt [00:32:57]:
That is your sign that it's time for a new way of healing. And I mean that seriously, because if you are sick for a long time, if you have a lot of chronic symptoms, if you are going from doctor to doctor to professional to professional, being like, what's wrong with me? When you finally get a diagnosis, or if you finally get a diagnosis, that can feel like sweet relief, that can feel like validation. When I received the diagnosis, I was like, I knew it. I knew it. And now everybody in my life who thinks I'm a hypochondriac and thinks I'm just a sensitive sally, now I can be like, look, I have this disease. I have this thing. It was very validating for me, and I think that validation was part of my healing. Not thinking I'm crazy, not thinking I'm making things up.
Erin Holt [00:33:38]:
And then I outgrew that. It stopped feeling, like, safe, cozy, warm, validating space, and it started feeling like, this is limiting my growth, this is limiting my happiness, and this is limiting my life. And I don't want to do this anymore. And so that can be a defining moment. Another moment that I want to share with you, because it kind of goes back to this self directed neuroplasticity stuff that we were talking about to give someone, like, an actual example. Um, I was feeling like there was, like, this is years ago. But I. It was, like, a little bit of a health flare up. I was having some, like, physical manifestations, and I'm like, uh oh.
Erin Holt [00:34:17]:
So I called my rheumatologist, and we had an appointment. In that appointment, he said two completely conflicting things, two different things. One was, oh, that is signs. What you're telling me right now is signs of disease progression. And then he also, later on, said, oh, I totally misunderstood you. He's like, you're totally fine. He's like, you're still in remission.
Liz Wolfe [00:34:41]:
Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Did your brain explode when he said the first thing?
Erin Holt [00:34:46]:
Of course it did. Of course it did. And so I'm like, okay, I've got a lot of tools. And it was a moment of, like, I get to decide. I get to decide. He just planted two seeds. I get to decide which one I water. What's like that? What is it? Like, a parable of, like, I know.
Erin Holt [00:35:06]:
I'm like, I get to decide which one.
Liz Wolfe [00:35:07]:
Yeah.
Erin Holt [00:35:08]:
And so I put my all. I put my everything. I put my. I'm gonna say the f word. I put my faith into the second thing he said, which is like, you're totally fine. And I chose to believe that, even though I didn't really have a ton of evidence that that was true, because I'm like, I still have these physical symptoms. Like, it's really. I can see it.
Erin Holt [00:35:27]:
It's Raynaud's, by the way, so I, like, could see my fingertips. I literally had, like, visual representation in front of my eyeballs. And I spent two months just, like, doubling down on that belief. And not only did that change the way I thought about things, the way that I saw things. Every single time I wanted to go into a spiral about that first thing he said, I pulled myself back, and I redirected where my thought process was going because it wanted to, like, slip slide. It's like a luge. These neural pathways, they're like ice luges. And it wanted to go down that first one, that scary one so bad, because I been down that path so many times before. My brain, my mind, and my brain know how to do it, but I had to change the direction, and that required me making a choice.
Erin Holt [00:36:15]:
Every single time I wanted to go in the old way, I had to be like, nope, we're going this way. Nope, we're going this way. And then eventually, those became pathways. And then eventually, I didn't have to tell myself that. I didn't have to think about that. I didn't have to put action and effort into it, it just became the default mode. Is that making sense?
Liz Wolfe [00:36:34]:
Yes. What is this doing? What is this doing physically that is clearing the way for healing.
Erin Holt [00:36:42]:
So when you are pitched in a fear response, you are not in homeostasis, you know, you're not in the mode, I call it optimal healing mode. You're not in the mode that your body needs to be in to do that self generation, that self healing process. If we can get ourselves out of fear, we are shifting our physiology in a favorable direction so we actually can kind of calm down the body. Your beliefs will inform your biology. So if you're saying constantly over and over and over again, this is bad, this is bad, this is a bad one, this is a bad one, your body's going to catch up and it's going to respond to this. And so when we are able, in that exact example, when I am moving myself actively out of a fear response, I'm putting myself more into a parasympathetic homeostasis response so my body can repair itself, so my body can do what it needs to do. Because at the end of the day, we do have human bodies. And as much as we might want to zoom around on the astral field, and I do, we still need to understand that these human bodies are sometimes going to have symptoms.
Erin Holt [00:37:46]:
They're sometimes going to talk to you. Things are going to sometimes flare up, and it's really about what you decide to do with that that is going to make all the difference.
Liz Wolfe [00:37:55]:
I love how you talk about how your body's going to talk to you, that it is communication. Tell me, tell me more about that.
Erin Holt [00:38:02]:
Well, that's what symptoms are. Our bodies are essentially storage receptacles for every single experience we've ever had in our entire life. And so if there are, let's say, repressed emotions or repressed experiences, the body doesn't forget the body is all knowing, it's all wise. Like these bodies of ours, they carry so much sacred wisdom. And so the body's always working in your favor. Sometimes we misinterpret that and we think the body's working against us, but the body's always working in your favor. And this is coming from somebody who is diagnosed with an autoimmune disease. How do we label all autoimmune disease self attack? Oh, my body's turned against me.
Erin Holt [00:38:39]:
That's not what's happening. That is not what's happening. The body always knows how to adapt in your favor to keep you alive. It's going to prioritize your survival. Let's keep this chick alive. Overthriving. Sometimes they do that, but it's trying to throw you a bone. And so I got off piste.
Erin Holt [00:38:59]:
What was the question? Oh, that's going.
Liz Wolfe [00:39:03]:
I like it.
Erin Holt [00:39:05]:
Your symptoms are that are one of the ways that the body communicates with us. And so if there is any type of suppression or repression, a symptom is like that stuff bubbling up to the surface to be like, hey, we got to deal with this now. And I think, again, the body, in its infinite wisdom, will bring you that stuff when you have capacity and resources to actually deal with it. I think when we go through a trauma, which is just like, way too much things happening, we have limited resources to deal with it. It will represent that experience to you when you have the resources and the capacity to actually do it. And so then that way it can be healed and it can be cleared from the body. Symptoms are just a tool that the body has to get your attention and say, something here needs your attention, and something probably needs to be healed, and that might require you to dig deep and pull something up, something that has been, like, smashed down maybe like 12, 22 years ago.
Liz Wolfe [00:40:06]:
Yeah. Yeah. So is this, like, subconscious work? Where do you take people on this, on this journey?
Erin Holt [00:40:13]:
So I'm a little bit of, like, mix master mind. I'm not great with somebody else's template. I am trained in, like, literally everything. I have certifications in everything. And I don't just do one thing. I think there's beauty and there's wisdom and all of these different philosophies and ways of healing. I just didn't heal myself with any one way. I did put autoimmunity in remission.
Erin Holt [00:40:38]:
I've healed a lot of things that people told me are impossible to heal, and I did it by a being willing to see things differently and to kind of, like, throw out the paradigm that is the current medical model, that, which is, you know, we can talk about the issues with that, because that really impacts our ability to heal, is what we're being told about our ability to heal. You know, so if we're all constantly being told, you need an external authority figure to heal you, we're going to believe that. And so the disease model of medicine, the pathogenesis model of medicine, which is like, the thing is out there and it's going to harm you and kill you, it basically has disempowered us to the point where we're totally unaware of our healing potential, and it's almost like sacrilegious to even say that our bodies have the capacity to heal. People get so mad when I'm talking about this and I'm like, but it's true, it exists. And so if we aren't allowed to talk about it, do you know how much healing potential we're pulling off the table for people? The people that need it most? Like we're just being like, nope, we can't, we can't possibly give them access, access to that. It's insane.
Erin Holt [00:41:38]:
So we doubt our own ability to heal. So subconscious reprogramming, re patterning is some of the work that we do. We were talking just about like emotional body. So accessing our emotions, being able to release and process our emotions is another really big part of it. Brain rewiring, you brought that up. That's another big part of it. So there's a lot of different modalities that we bring online. I really am a huge proponent of energy medicine and biofield science, which is kind of like a new field of science.
Erin Holt [00:42:18]:
And I use air quotes for those who are not watching us because like, what is new science? It's not really new. It's been around forever, but almost pulling in some of like the quantum healing techniques too, and recognizing that we are just like these walking energy beings. And so we also have to caretake the energy body. And I think that is sometimes a missing link when we're talking about using the mind to heal. I think this is often missed in the conversation that this biofield that we all inhabit, our individual biofields, are really important to our overall health. And there's this idea that it's the thing that kind of connects consciousness with healing. And so we're pulling in some of that as well. But like the primary thing we do, the first thing we, we have to do is suspend disbelief, because if you don't believe this is possible, it's not going to be possible.
Erin Holt [00:43:14]:
And so that's the first thing that I ask people to do and I'm working with them in my program is like, okay, so this is gonna be eight weeks. What I need you to do for eight weeks is just suspend your disbelief. Can you do that? Can you at least do that? Because healing, often, when requires us to go beyond what we think we know about healing, it's like the Einstein quote that everybody uses. You're not going to solve this problem from the same level of consciousness that created the problem. You have to step outside of that. And so that's a big thing that I take people through.
Liz Wolfe [00:46:07]:
I kind of think of, I don't know, modern medicine the way our default setting is kind of almost inherently reductionist. Modern medicine, modern science, we're just trying to drill down to these little siloed, kind of hacked apart little pieces to understand. But you talk a lot about, is it the Energetics of Expansion. Is that a term I've heard you use?
Erin Holt [00:46:30]:
That's one of my programs for entrepreneurs.
Liz Wolfe [00:46:33]:
Oh, there you go. Okay. I've heard you say that phrase then, the Energetics of Expansion, like this is the reduction versus expansion. And in my opinion, and in my experience, it's actually like, the reduction part poses a lot of conundrums. Right. You're trying to really reduce all these things down and then connect them and figure out how they're linked to each other. And you're doing all this work, and it's almost like a hamster on a wheel.
Liz Wolfe [00:46:56]:
It's like we're not going to figure it out this way because you're never going to reach the end point of that. You're just going to keep digging. Versus expansion, which I actually think can be harder because you have to let go of a lot of that stuff. You have to release it and be open to something different. And I think about, as you expand, you get into these increasingly complex yet undecodable things, the universe, the cosmos, Neil degrasse Tyson stuff, where those guys don't even know what's going on. So you do have to allow yourself to open up to that and receive communication from yourself, maybe about yourself. I don't know where I'm going with that. Get me back on track here.
Erin Holt [00:47:40]:
I like it. I like it.
Liz Wolfe [00:47:42]:
That edible we took right before we got on here really just kicked in, I think. I don't even know what edibles are, by the way.
Erin Holt [00:47:48]:
Can you imagine? I would be, like, sideways and, like, saying the weirdest thing, it would be unpublishable.
Liz Wolfe [00:47:55]:
Unpublishable.
Erin Holt [00:47:56]:
First of all, so. Yes. And that the second thing, the expansion, it's really hard to study.
Liz Wolfe [00:48:04]:
Yeah.
Erin Holt [00:48:04]:
You know?
Liz Wolfe [00:48:05]:
Yeah.
Erin Holt [00:48:05]:
And so it's much harder. So there's a reason that we've kind of taken the body and broken it down into, like, little tiny pieces. I understand why. I really, really do. But, and also, that's not who we are as human beings. It's. We can't break apart the different pieces.
Erin Holt [00:48:27]:
We're all, we're one integrated system. And so I think that's where we're running into so many issues with chronic health challenges, with autoimmunity, is because we don't really have the tools to look at our, modern medicine, I should say, doesn't have the tools to look at our, our being, our physiology, and even beyond that, our bio field as this one integrated system. And so with chronic health challenges, and these complex conditions, we have to, like, that's how we heal.
Liz Wolfe [00:49:00]:
Okay, when you. So let's talk about something kind of concrete, like the gut and the brain, right? We talk about how the gut is so important to the brain. The brain is so important to the gut. So if you're actually looking to heal, like a gut issue or something like that, or you're looking to rewire your brain and you have a gut issue, you said you kind of deal with those things together, but talk to me about how those things are related and how you tease those things apart and especially how you gauge progress.
Erin Holt [00:49:26]:
So, okay, so when we're talking about this, like, mind body or. I really love how Candice Pert wrote it. It was bodymind. One word, no hyphen. And she was a brilliant scientist, like, cutting edge, like one of the founders of psychoneuroimmunology. Gosh, that's hard to say when it's not written in front of you. But she, in her research, which is extensive, way extensive, she really showcased that they're one in the same. The body and the mind are one in the same.
Erin Holt [00:49:55]:
So she writes it as bodymind. But what gets, I think, gets lost in this conversation when we're talking about brain rewiring or using our minds to heal, is that we still have to care, take the physical body. Like, the physical body's still there, it's still with us. We still have to inhabit this physical body. We're not just trying to, like, disassociate from it or check out or vibrate up out of the body. So one thing that's important to understand is that any inflammation that's happening in the gut or any inflammation that's happening in the body, you do so much work with, with metabolic health, blood sugar imbalance, like, anything that's driving inflammation in the body is going to also drive inflammation in the brain. And so when the brain is inflamed, it's very, very, very challenging to rewire it. So I can't tell you where your entry point to health and healing is, what your entry point to your healing journey should be.
Erin Holt [00:50:53]:
Nobody can tell you that. But I really think that this work that we're talking about now lands really well in a body that's being taken care of. And so we're giving it the appropriate inputs. We're hydrating, we're eating well, we're sleeping, we're moving our body if we can. Sometimes health conditions disallow that, but to the best of our ability, because that's going to drive down inflammation, and that's going to make your brain more plastic, more rewirable. And it's just a big component that's missed in this whole conversation. I don't want to overlook that. We're not trying to bypass the physical body and just, like, meditate, you know, it all has to come online together.
Erin Holt [00:51:32]:
And then also, we were talking about the subconscious mind and the subconscious beliefs and things that kind of get imprinted into our nervous system. You know, adverse childhood experiences or trauma, repressed emotion that can absolutely impact our nervous system, which can impact our enteric nervous system, which is our gut's nervous system, and that can really impact our overall gut health, our overall digestive capacity. And so it works in both directions. The gut brain axis is bi directional. I don't think the mind gut axis is a term that has been coined, but I think, think it should be, because what the mind's doing is having a direct and immediate effect on your nervous system and on the gut. And so it all kind of needs to come online together. Did that answer the question?
Liz Wolfe [00:52:25]:
I don't remember what the question was, but it did. It was very effective and impactful. I can say that for sure. And I can't take anymore. I have to make it about myself just for a second. I'm going to do it. All right, so you talk about some of this early programming, and you said at the beginning when we were talking that until you're seven, you're really being programmed.
Liz Wolfe [00:52:45]:
You're really just accepting what is occurring around you as truth. The messages that you're getting, like that becomes your operating system. And we talk about trauma and we talk about adverse childhood experiences. And those, obviously, those are another level. But so many of us, me included, grew up, for example, for me, in a particular religion where I was getting messages about my physical experience and how it related to, like, my spiritual life. I said this in the interview with Organic Olivia, that I was raised in the Christian Science church, which is a very. I don't want people to run off and go Google. I don't know.
Liz Wolfe [00:53:21]:
It's like a whole can of worms that I've never talked about before. But one of the things that's interesting to me is that some of the messaging of that religion that I grew up in was very much centered around our spiritual identity and having been created perfectly, like we are the image and likeness of a higher power. And. But what's interesting about what you're saying is that I think the message I got as a kid was, you are only a spiritual body and you do not have to think about taking care of your physical body as well. Well, God will take care of that. Like we are taking care of, take no thought for your life, stuff like that. I had a Sunday school teacher tell me that even if I ate M&Ms all day, I could still be healthy because, you know, I cannot be harmed by anything physical. So it sounds really toxic, but it really just comes down to people and how they communicate messages to you.
Liz Wolfe [00:54:16]:
Anyway, this is a whole another therapy session. I'm going to text my therapist after this. But my point is, I grew up a healthy kid, but those messages are confusing. So people like me, who have no childhood trauma, adverse childhood experiences, but there are confusing messages that have been built into my operating system that probably color in the lines of my beliefs now make things harder to grip. Now, does that make sense? And now I don't know where I was going with that.
Erin Holt [00:54:46]:
Yeah, let's take religion, the specific religion and God out of it, because sometimes we start throwing those words around and people are like, I'm checking out! Later! They said the g word, I gotta go. And so I think, have you not struggled with very chronic health challenges? You haven't, right. Okay, so. And I think this is fascinating because to me, that sounds like a very empowering message.
Liz Wolfe [00:55:09]:
It was, in many ways. In many ways, yes.
Erin Holt [00:55:12]:
And so I'm not surprised that if you are carrying around this message of, like, my body's good, you know, God or some other power is, like, holding me and it's got me and it's like, so sometimes I can eat an M&Ss and I don't have to freak out that eating sugar, which is inflammatory, and food dyes, which is going to kill me, you know, that is going to create physiology that actually sets you up for health. And so that, to me, from a health perspective, sounds like a very empowering program to be running. Some people do not receive that. I worked with a client who was recovering from religious trauma, and she was taught, like, your body is not sacred. It is good. This is what she internalized. This is her perception of her belief. Your body is dirty.
Erin Holt [00:55:57]:
And so she carried that around, and we didn't. We were very unable to make significant headway with this patient because it's really hard to un program that. Your body is inherently bad, broken, wrong, and dirty. Like, yikes. You're always going to find a problem. Your body's always going to create a problem because it's showing you evidence of your beliefs and if you believe I'm broken, I'm bad. It's gonna show you that one thing that I really have to unpack with people is shame. Shame is so inflammatory to your body.
Erin Holt [00:56:27]:
It like, there's research to show that you carry around shame, you're going to have more inflammation in your body. It's called shameflammation.
Liz Wolfe [00:56:35]:
There's like, no, it's not.
Erin Holt [00:56:37]:
There is. And so isn't it wild? But it's like, if you're. And think about as women, how much shame we carry around about ourselves, about the way that we interface with the world. I mean, we're told all the time, you, that's not the way to do it. Yeah, you be yourself, but not like that. So we're carrying around shame all of the time. I'm not shocked that 78% of people who are diagnosed with autoimmune disease are women. One out of twelve women will be diagnosed with an autoimmune disease.
Erin Holt [00:57:06]:
This is insane. These statistics are insane, but not shocking, because what is autoimmunity? Remember, it's that self attack. And so if you are carrying around shame, if you feel like, I'm bad, I'm bad, I'm the. I'm the wrong thing. I'm the thing. Your body is going to be like, okay, all right, I guess this is the thing that we defend ourselves against. And so this is how our beliefs and how we feel about ourselves can really influence, like, the physical, the physical body. I'll give an example of myself.
Erin Holt [00:57:35]:
So we can use these, like, real world examples to kind of anchor in these, like, big concepts. My parents had, my brothers, and I, like, super young, and so we were, like, always kind of, like, moved around with family members. It was, like, wonderful. We had a wonderful family members that. I'm not trying to paint a picture of trauma, but it was very unsettled, very ungrounded, and I had no say in the matter. Like, you just go with who's taking you this Friday night. And so I didn't really cultivate the ability to say no into say, like, I want to opt out of this. There were certain situations that I was put in that I shouldn't have been put in, and I didn't have the opportunity as a child to say, this is not good for me, I need to leave. Exit stage left.
Erin Holt [00:58:14]:
And so it was very challenging for me, as I navigated adulthood, to use my voice to say that, because I had a belief that you're kind of a burden people are taking you in. You're not even their kid. You're just being, like, kind of passed around and, like, people have to take you in as a burden. And so I felt that in order to say, I don't want to be here would be so disrespectful, so ungrateful, because I'm a burden. So in adulthood, kind of the same. So I wouldn't speak up, and I would just kind of, like, go into situations and go with the flow that I didn't want to be in. And then I got sick, and I did all the things as we discussed.
Erin Holt [00:58:51]:
Conventional medicine told me to. We did all the things functional medicine told me to. I wasn't getting better. I'm like, why can't I just, like, I was getting better, but not all the way. Why can't I just heal this thing? Why can't I just freaking heal this thing? Like, what's up? What else do I have to do? And there was a moment where I realized that we were supposed to go on this big family thing, and I did not want to go, and I got sick, and I'm like, wait a second. This is a pattern. Like, I tend to get sick before things that I don't want to do. And that's when I realized that my illness gave me a voice when I was terrified to use my own.
Erin Holt [00:59:26]:
Once I realized that, that was the secondary gain, the hidden benefit of me being sick, once I realized that, I'm like, oh, hell, no. Mommy's gonna start using her voice. And I just. I'm like, I'm not doing this. It's either me or you. I gotta choose myself. I gotta choose my health. I got really skilled and more comfortable and really brave, and I started saying no to the things that I didn't want to do.
Erin Holt [00:59:50]:
And when I was able to do that, hey, guess what happened. My illness went into remission because it didn't need to protect me anymore. This is the work that we do. This is why I say it's, like, real deep.
Liz Wolfe [01:00:01]:
Damn. Damn. I just feel like you are such, like, you said the word bold earlier. You're such a bold. I don't know. When I think about you, I'm like, I want to be like that. Like, self actualized, like, bold. You own it.
Liz Wolfe [01:00:16]:
You have so much agency, and I feel like I kind of wish there was something wrong with me so I could hire you as my practitioner. I just think being a client of yours would be so empowering.
Erin Holt [01:00:26]:
So here's the message that I will leave everybody with the reason that I am like this. A lot of it has to do with the fact that I navigated health challenges. You have to be. I'm going to say this for the people who are ready to hear this, and if this agitates you, just throw it away. Throw it away. It's not. It's not for you right now in this moment. And that's perfectly fine.
Erin Holt [01:00:46]:
Maybe someday it will be. The diagnosis I received was the biggest opportunity in my life for growth and for expansion. And ironically enough, it's where so much of my healing came from. And I'm sure I could have learned these lessons a different way, but I didn't. That was not my path. And so I am so grateful for the health challenges that came my way because it has cultivated so much of all those words that you just said, self actualization and being able to use my voice. And turns out my voice actually helps a lot of other people, too.
Erin Holt [01:01:25]:
So not only do I get to benefit from it, but a lot of other people do. And so we can choose to see our symptoms and our illness and our diagnoses as a gift, but that's a choice that we have to make, and we have to be ready to make that choice.
Liz Wolfe [01:01:41]:
So good. Erin Holt, the Funk'tional Nutritionist on the Balanced Bites podcast. Podcast. Love it. Do you have any place that you're encapsulating this stuff? Where can people opt in? What do you have going?
Erin Holt [01:01:52]:
So Manifest Your Health is my eight week program where we really tuck and roll into all the things that we just talked about. That is going to start in August. I believe August 19 is the date that we start. So that's coming up. That's coming in hot.
Liz Wolfe [01:02:09]:
Yeah. Yeah. When does the card open for that?
Erin Holt [01:02:10]:
1. August 5.
Liz Wolfe [01:02:12]:
Where do they find it? Where do they go?
Erin Holt [01:02:15]:
Great Q. thefunktionalnutritionist.com. we're gonna have to link this up in the show notes we have. We own the URL, manifestyourhealth.com, but I don't know if it's gonna be there by August.
Liz Wolfe [01:02:27]:
We'll just make sure everybody can find it in the show notes or somewhere.
Erin Holt [01:02:31]:
Exactly.
Liz Wolfe [01:02:32]:
It'll be in there. Okay. You're the best. Thank you so much for coming on with me. Can't wait to sign you up for the podcast again. My number one regular.
Erin Holt [01:02:40]:
I'm a regular. What can I say? Thanks for joining me for this episode of the Funk'tional Nutrition podcast. If you got something from today's show, don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, share with a friend, and keep coming back for more. Take care of you.
